Natural Male Birth Control – Papaya Seeds as a Contraceptive for Men?


pawpaw birth controlScientists are working on a male birth control pill designed to block the release of sperm and prevent unwanted pregnancy. So far many of the attempted methods involving inhibiting hormones appear to lead to testosterone problems and decreased libido.

There are however some potential natural methods of birth control without such side effects. One of the most interesting is using papaya seeds for male contraception.

Ahead is what we know about using the seeds of papaya as a contraceptive for men, potential precautions if you choose to use them and the simplest and best tasting way to add papaya seeds to your diet.

Papaya Seeds as Birth Control in Traditional Cultures

Both men and women on the Indian subcontinent and in parts of Southeast Asia have traditionally used the papaya fruit and its seeds as a form of birth control.

Women are known to use the unripe green papaya, with its enzyme rich milky white sap, to avoid pregnancy. For this purpose it is either eaten in large amounts or used as an abortifacient when applied directly to the uterus.

Both unripe papaya and papaya seeds are high in the enzyme papain. Papain is a beneficial aid to protein digestion but best avoided for women currently or trying to get pregnant. More on possible side effects of papaya enzymes for both men and women here.

Papaya seeds are also reported to have been used by men in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and other parts of Asia as a long-term natural birth control method. The equivalent of around a teaspoon is suggested daily and is taken for around three months to be fully effective.

The effect is then said to last for several months after treatment is stopped, to be completely reversible in the long-term and with no observed negative effects on libido during treatment. Two interesting studies on the contraceptive effects papaya seeds shed more light on their potential.

Scientific Research on Papaya Seeds for Male Contraception

As is often the case with natural treatments, there hasn’t been a wealth of scientific studies on non-pharmaceutical birth control methods. Companies can’t patent plant-based treatments like papaya seeds (though I wouldn’t put it past Monsanto to try), so there’s little financial incentive for research.

Male birth control naturallyTwo promising animal studies have been done though on the effects of taking papaya seed extract on male sperm. The first on Pubmed is a study of the long-term safety of a Carica papaya seed extract on male rats over a full year of daily doses.

In this research, while sperm became completely ineffective during the treatment, no decrease in testosterone or damage to internal organs was observed compared to the control animals. The researchers said the papaya seed extract ‘affect sperm parameters without adverse side effects and is clinically safe as a male contraceptive’.

While rat studies are often used to test the safety of a substance, men are not rats. This second study though involving adult male langur monkeys is significantly closer to our own biology. In it an extract of papaya seeds, equivalent to 50 mg per kilogram of body weight per day, was administered for 360 days.

Testing found sperm concentration, motility and viability notably decreased within 30 days and was significantly impaired by 60. After 90 days azoospermia (no sperm count) was observed in all the test subjects.

Once treatment was withdrawn, sperm function slowly increased and returned to the fertile range after 150 days with no noted long-term side effects. The study concluded that the year-long administration of papaya seed extract ‘disclose no significant toxicological effects and the serum testosterone level was not affected’.

Using Papaya Seeds as a Natural Male Contraceptive

Despite the findings of these studies, we are unlikely to see a papaya seed-based male birth control pill in the drugstores anytime soon. Any man interested in using papaya seeds to decrease his fertility would have to do it with the seeds from papaya fruit and at his own (and his partner’s) understanding and risk.

You’d also need a good supply of papaya seeds for this purpose. Fortunately, they can be frozen for bulk use and easily added to the simple papaya seed smoothie recipe ahead.

For people that don’t have access to fresh papaya seeds, this organic papaya seed powder is the best alternative. You’d only need about half a teaspoon per dose due to them being already powdered.

On the positive side, papaya seeds actually have many health benefits so there may be significant additional reasons to take them daily for a man looking to prevent unwanted pregnancy. They have even been shown to be an effective treatment against parasites and intestinal worms.

Ultimately, the choice is up to each male reader individually. I’ve personally used papaya seeds regularly for long periods, primarily for the digestive benefits detailed here, but also as extra insurance against unplanned pregnancy, and noticed only positive health effects.

There’s no way to guarantee that using papaya seeds as a contraceptive would be 100% effective. The noted studies and observations from traditional uses make it one of the best candidates for natural birth control, but each man would need to consider his own and his partner’s situation.

If you’re interested in using the treatment then here is how to prepare a consistent supply of papaya seeds. Following this is a simple way to take them daily in a great tasting papaya seed smoothie.

Preparing Papaya Seeds for Regular Use

Papaya seeds taste very different to the delicious fresh fruit, with the flavor often described as a cross between pepper and wasabi. Just chewing up a teaspoon of seeds each morning isn’t that much fun so here is a more enjoyable way to have them without the strong taste.

To be effective, papaya seeds need to be chopped up, chewed up or crushed. After trying all three, I know which is the easiest to follow for long periods and I now always have the seeds in my daily smoothies when taking them.

You’ll need a high powered blender to chop them up finely so you won’t even notice them in your smoothie. After a lot of research I chose this one and it’s perfect for the purpose.

Unless you live in an area where papayas are freely available you’ll probably want to freeze a supply for regular use. Fortunately, the large Central and South American papayas available in America contain a lot of seeds (and are not affected by the GMO issues of the smaller Hawaiian fruits).

The best way I’ve found to ensure a consistent supply is to get a couple of large ripe papayas, cut them into strips with the seeds and freeze them. Here’s how.

  1. First gently rub the papaya skin with a splash of apple cider vinegar and rinse with warm water. This cleans it and helps remove any sprays. Papaya skin is high in beneficial digestive enzymes and it’s much easier to leave it on to be blended up in your smoothie.
  2. Once washed, sliced the papaya lengthways in half and cut off the two ends that don’t contain any seeds. These can be eaten now or chopped up and frozen separately to be added as extra smoothie ingredients.
  3. Now with the two seed containing halves, sliced them into vertical strips about half an inch wide. For large papaya, these can all then be cut in half horizontally and you should be left with sections of papaya that contain roughly about a teaspoon of seeds.
  4. For really large papayas full of seeds the vertical strips could be cut horizontally several times. We’re just looking for roughly a teaspoon of seeds, still attached to the papaya pulp. Don’t worry about being too precise. These studies found the seeds effective even at relatively low doses. A teaspoon is just an easy approximation. A little more or less is fine.
  5. I’ve found the easiest way to have the strips ready for regularly use is to then lay them side-by-side in a tupperware container and freeze them. Just one deep is better so they don’t stick, but you could also place some foil between the layers for bigger containers to prevent sticking.

Chopping up a couple of papayas like this is a little work at the start, but once you’ve done this with a big papaya you should have enough seed laden papaya strips for several weeks. They can then be pulled from the freezer and added still frozen directly to your smoothie. This is the best way I’ve found to have a daily supply of papaya seeds.

Simple Papaya Seed Smoothie Recipe for Natural Birth Control

Ingredients

  • 1 papaya strip with approximately a teaspoon of papaya seeds. Alternatively use half a teaspoon of this papaya seed powder.
  • Fruit of your choice – a big slice of pineapple, a banana, a whole chopped apple or pear or a handful of berries are all good.
  • 2 tablespoons of desiccated coconut or chia seeds – these thicken the smoothie and provide many digestive benefits.
  • A cup of coconut water or diluted coconut milk, hemp milk, almond milk or organic cow’s milk if you tolerate it (soy or conventional cow’s milk isn’t recommended for various health reasons).

Optional

  • Half a teaspoon of cinnamon for a great flavor, blood sugar control and many antibacterial properties.
  • A couple of drops of Stevia for healthier sweetness if needed (should be unnecessary if you’re using sweet fruits like pineapple or bananas).

Method

  • Simply throw in all the ingredients, top up with the coconut water and blend on high until the consistency looks smooth and rich.
  • Pour into a glass and drink immediately. First thing the morning is best for papaya seeds digestive benefits, but when you get home from work to keep you going until dinner is also very good.

Treatment Time and Final Thoughts

The langur monkey research observed a reduction in sperm viability with papaya seed after 30 days, significant decreases by 60 days and ‘no sperm count’ after 90, with a further 150 days of male contraception once the papaya seed treatment was stopped.

Given this, papaya seeds may be a long-term treatment for those worried about unwanted pregnancy. Though you would need regular access to papaya seeds and the commitment to take them daily.

I’d also highly advise testing your sperm count before relying on this method. Home fertility tests are now available for men for under forty dollars and are well worth it for something so important.

It’s not the place or purpose of this article to make the decision as to whether to use papaya seeds as a natural male birth control for anyone. Commonly use methods may be simpler, but in situations where these are causing problems papaya seeds could provide an alternative.

It’s a choice for each man to make individually, after researching the options available, but no method should be considered 100% effective. Obviously other factors should be taken into account as well, such as protection if you’re not in a committed relationship.

Do you have any experience with using papaya seeds as a natural contraceptive? I’d be interested to hear from men who have used the seeds for this purpose, how they found taking them regularly, and particularly if they have had their sperm count tested after using this homemade birth control method.

If you’re interested in other reasons to take papaya seeds for better health and for both men and women see this article on some of their unusual benefits for your liver, digestive system and preventing bacterial and viral infections.

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Raj

Hi Jim;

I have enjoyed reading your work. I am interested to use Pappaya seeds as a contraceptive. Me and my fiance have struggled with this idea and are committed to taking utmost precaution.

I have started to chew one tea spoon and drink lots of water. I do not mind the smell or taste. We travel a lot and cannot carry a juicer or have refrigeration at disposal. I can get pappaya seeds all I want here in India. How long can I keep the pappaya seeds at room temperature.

I have been taking the pappaya seeds for 5 days ( understand I need to do this for 90 days). Then I understand that this effect will for 6 months. Do I need to get back to another 90 days to get another 150 days of coverage. How can I get protection non stop for 2 or 3 years.

Will there be any side effects if I take this more than 3 months; like 9 or 12 months.

Again, I thank you again for your advice and you are a voice in the dark to many.

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Raj and thanks for your comments.

    Papaya seeds at room temperature I’m not certain on sorry. If you can dry them in the hot sun it should prevent any chance of mold, which would be the big concern to be aware of after a few days. After that time it would make sense to run them under boiling water as a precaution if they’ve been left in humid conditions.

    Of course any chance you get to have them fresh from the papaya would be best and they can definitely be kept in the fridge for several days. Other than this drying a big batch would probably be best. This shouldn’t affect the potency as dried papaya seeds have been used before in studies.

    The studies I’ve seen suggested that after 30 – 60 days there was a significant decrease in male fertility and after 90 days no viable sperm. The effect is said to continue for as long as the papaya seeds are taken with several months after the last seeds before fertility is restored. They also noted no side effects, including on libido, and papaya seeds have been used for this purpose by traditional cultures.

    Hope this helps.

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      Kyle

      As a raw food advocate I understand that most enzymes are destroyed at boiling temperatures. Theoretically if the enzymes are part of the treatment freezing of some kind would be the only options to preserve enzymes.

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        Jim Dillan

        Hi Kyle,

        Papaya seeds have a hard outer shell so quickly dousing them in boiling water would be unlikely to have an effect on the inner alkaloids. I’d recommend this only if the seeds were kept at room temperature for long enough for mold to potentially form.

        Ideally it would indeed be better to keep papaya seeds refrigerated or frozen for long term storage.

        All the best

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Scott

Hi, does green papaya work, too? Doesn’t look like the picture (orange flesh and black seeds). This one has light green flesh and small white seeds.

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Scott and thanks for your question.

    Green papaya is high in digestive enzymes but I would ideally use the developed seeds from large ripe papaya for this purpose. They can be frozen for storage and used as needed once collected.

    Hope this helps.

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Johnny

Hello,

So if I understand it correctly to get the full benefits of papaya seeds as a male contraceptive I have to chew (or blend) the seeds and open them up. Swallowing the seeds whole with a glass of water wont work because that leaves them intact, am I right??

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Johnny

Jim,

That helps a lot. I’m gonna go out and buy that blender you recommended and start crushing papaya seeds in yoghurt ice cream.

One more question, to get the full male contraceptive effect, should the seeds be consumed on an empty stomach or right after a meal??

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Johnny,

    I think that should be an easy combination to take. Papaya seeds are fine on either an empty stomach or after a meal for this purpose and may help with digestion in the later case. It’s only for parasites that I’d recommend them on an empty stomach.

    Hope this helps,

    Jim

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      Johnny

      Thanks Jim that helps a lot. I’m gonna start taking the seeds ASAP because I dont wanna get a vasectomy since getting that done might not be reversible in case I want kids in the future.

      Couple of more questions if you dont mind:

      1. Do you personally still take papaya seeds for male contraception. If so, what time of the day do you take them??
      2. How many years have you been taking them??
      3. Did you take a home fertility test to see if your sperm motility was close to zero??

      Thanks in advance for your help

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        Jim Dillan

        Hi Johnny,

        Good questions. I’ve personally taken papaya seeds for years with some regularity and for one stretch for at least 3 months virtually daily. This was in much larger doses than recommended in this article as it was for a parasite treatment as described here: http://superfoodprofiles.com/papaya-seeds-parasites I had no ill effects and in fact remember feeling great with excellent digestion.

        Unfortunately I didn’t take a fertility test at the time as my interest in papaya seeds was more on their other health benefits so this article is more presenting the research I’ve found rather than my own results.

        As I’m currently travelling quite a lot it can be difficult to access fresh papaya and maintain a daily routine of taking them. I am travelling to Asia for winter though and should have much better access to papaya seeds. I’d be interested to take a fertility test if I can take the seeds for this period and see the results.

        All the best,

        Jim

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matty

hi guys im trying this out just had my first today worked really well with tea but is the heat of a cup of tea not recommended ?

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Christina Gottesman

What about a papaya seed extract? Would that work and if so, what kind of dosage would you recommend?

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Christina,

    I think fresh or frozen papaya seeds sounds be better. It appears the alkaloids like carpaine are the important factors so any extract would have to have those in it. Dosage would be the equivalent of 1 teaspoon of fresh papaya seeds.

    All the best,

    Jim

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Bob Gomez

Do you think cold-pressed papaya seed oil would be as effective?

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manjula

hi, is papaya seeds safe for male children with gastrointestinal problems..

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Manjula,

    In this article http://superfoodprofiles.com/papaya-seeds-parasites there is a link to a 2007 study of 60 Nigerian children with strong evidence of intestinal parasites showed an over 75% clearance rate of infection in just seven days. This was after receiving a 20 ml dose of papaya seed extract. The researchers said, “papaya seeds are efficacious in treating human intestinal parasites and without significant side effects.”

    It would be best to check with a healthcare professional if there are currently gastrointestinal problems.

    All the best,

    Jim

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sameer

how to use papayya seeds to stop pragnacy

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Asia

Hi Jim, I use raw green papaya as a marinade and since my kids love the flavor it adds to the meat, I use it a lot too. I’m concerned as I was told by my grandma that consuming raw papaya can cause infertility later in life

This is a major concern for me and hence I’m here! Pl advise

-Thanks

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi there,

    As per the article studies cited, testing has shown high regular doses of papaya seeds provided temporary reduction in sperm count in animal testing and it is used in traditional cultures for this purpose. I haven’t been able to find any research on green papaya’s effect on children’s fertility later in life, though, if the green papaya concentration is high it may be worth making it less regularly. If there’s only a small amount I don’t think this should be a problem.

    Hope this helps,

    Jim

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Kali

Hi Jim,

I really appreciate this article! I think it is great and had a couple of questions too!

(If they aren’t too personal that is…) I haven’t had the need to deal with parasites (thank goodness!) and was wondering more along the lines of the male contraceptive benefits.

1) Have you tried it as a form of birth control and then stopped and been successful in conception?
2) Do you personally know any one else that uses it for a contraceptive purpose, and have they had success in either as a birth control, and in being able to stop and be successful in conception?

I appreciate the studies and will be looking more into it but would love your thoughts on the matter as well!

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Kali,

    I’ve just responded to another comment on this article where a gent says he has used them successfully for a year. I’d be very interested to see what his results would be if he got a fertility test as well.

    As to your questions, I am not looking to get anyone pregnant so certainly won’t be trying that sorry. I can only refer to the studies in the article and this other study I’ve found http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10080301

    I agree there isn’t a definitive answer and as I said at the end of the article: “There’s no way to guarantee that using papaya seeds as a contraceptive would be 100% effective. The noted studies and observations from traditional uses make it one of the best candidates for natural birth control, but each man would need to consider his own and his partner’s situation.”

    All the best,

    Jim

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Massa Williams

Greetings, I read an article about a year ago about using papaya seeds for male birth control. My wife and I decided we’ve had enough children. She is very fertile and we wanted long-term effects without the all the chemicals and condoms. She suggested I get a vasectomy. Well, at first I almost lost it!.. I told her she was crazy. But then I decided to do some research. I’m kind of a natural guy and didn’t like the sound of the side effects of the drugs out there. So I thought I’d try the Papaya seeds because it seemed easy enough to do, they had long term effects and they were reversible. I bought a month worth of papayas, cut them in squares with daily doses and froze them. I crushed them, chopped them and took a teaspoon full once a day for 3 months as suggested. I watched my sperm to see if the look of it or the amount changed.lol I didn’t notice anything. Information says I should be sterile for 5 months but I started taking again at the 4 month period to overlap. I’ve taken them with success for over a year now.

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Massa and thanks for writing in.

    I’m glad the papaya seeds are working for you. I don’t think you’ll notice any difference in the semen itself. The studies show the sperm remain but motility and viability is decreased significantly. After 3 months azoospermia (no sperm count) was observed in all the test subjects.

    I’d be really interested to hear your results if you ever got a fertility test after taking the papaya seeds like this for a few months.

    All the best,

    Jim

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    Alex

    That is awersome! Do a fertility test and post if works =]

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Toni

Try grinding the seeds and using them like black pepper.

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Ibraheem Ola

pls I need to disturb u with the following questions.
1. can I dry the seed and use on daily basis?
2. must I eat the seed with the flesh?

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Ibraheem,

    If you have access to fresh papaya seeds you can use them dried or fresh. They can also be frozen. It isn’t necessary to have them with the fruit but they do need to be crushed not whole.

    All the best,

    Jim

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Ibraheem Ola

if I blend it to liquid form without mixing it with any other materials will it work?

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Sylvester

I thank all previous contributors. I stumbled upon this discussion because I did a simple Google search on ‘papain as an anti-androgen’. I have always known that papaya is a good meat tenderizer (and also interpreted this as “something that will make something less hard”). Not only is papain (the active enzyme in papaya) an anti-androgen/or has anti-androgenic properties, eating papaya regularly, also has the uncanny effect of making a man less ……………I am sure you know what I mean. It seems that there is an arcane aspect to it which people in traditional societies understood. The papaya plant itself comes in 3 sexes – male, female and hermaphrodite. I think long-term use of papaya seeds or regular eating of papaya by men should not be practiced or encouraged. The aspect of being a male contraceptive could also lead to loss of libido and perhaps, cause general lack of performance and weakness of organ because of the anti-androgenic properties.

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ZION

PLS SIR,IF I TAKE TEASPOONFUL AND HAVE SEX ONE HOUR THEREAFTER,WILL IT WORK?& FOR HOW MANY DAYS WILL IT LAST BEFORE IT EXPIRES?

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Edson

Hi Jim,

After reading your article I was left wondering about which product was more effective, the extract or the powders? The extract was used in the study’s, which I would imagine it being a liquid, but is it more efficient to use the powder?

Thanks Edson

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Bob

Hello Jim,

Would it make a difference using organic papaya vs non-organic?

Is it possible to increase the recommended dose to accelerate the results? If yes, what is the safest maximum dose & the new time frame?

Thanks for posting this article & taking the time to reply.

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Bob,

    Organic papayas may be grown in better soils and do avoid the GMO issue with the smaller Hawaiian papayas, but from a sprays point of view it’s not as important.

    The studies aren’t clear as to whether an increased dose would accelerate the process. It may well though I wouldn’t recommend going over 1 tablespoon and this should be built up to slowly.

    The only way to be sure would be to have a fertility test before and after taking the papaya seeds for at least a month. I’d personally consider this method a bit of extra insurance with added health benefits http://superfoodprofiles.com/health-benefits-papaya-seeds rather than a fully reliable contraception method.

    All the best,

    Jim

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Dave

I’ve used this treatment for 3 months (10/20/2015 – 1/19/2016) religiously. I have integrated the powder into smoothies, plain yogurt and even taken it with water. I performed a test on the 90th day and am surprised to say the powder has been INEFFECTIVE. I tried this as an alternative to wet heat as a time saver and unfortunately have to go back to the original method. I may try fresh papaya seeds rather than the powdered form. Result update in 3 months.

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Dave and thanks for writing back with your results. That is a bit surprising given the primate research and papaya seeds use as a birth control method on the Indian subcontinent.

    Will amend the article with this. If you have access to fresh papaya seeds I would really appreciate hearing about your results with those.

    All the best,

    Jim

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Calvin Power

What about a supplement containing the papaya enzyme with 45mg of papain? Would that be effective as a possible contraceptive?

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kenny

I really like this idea, but I was wondering…. Has anyone ever taken a sperm test to test this theory? I know that is not cheep, but has anyone even tried (or willing to try) the new home male fertility test kit, I think they are around 40$. Thank you for this post!

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Kenny,

    It’s a good point that I’ve mentioned in the comments but the home testing kit is a valuable idea and I’ve added this to the article so thank you for that.

    I’ve also rewrote the last section to ask anyone who has been tested after using papaya seeds to write in with their results.

    All the best,

    Jim

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Bethany Garcia

My husband and I are going to try this and get his fertility tested in 3 months. I will let you know the results. We have three kids under 5, one with special needs and I am allergic to condoms, spermicides and birth control. We are hoping this will be effective as we would like another child in 3 years or so, making a vasectomy a poor option.plus this is significantly cheaper.

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    Jim Dillan

    Thank you Bethany. I’d be really interested to hear how it goes and will update the article if you can write back with your results using the papaya seeds.

    All the best,

    Jim

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    rebecca bender

    Hi Bethany,

    I am interested in this method of birth control for when I get married, and I was wondering if it worked for you and your husband?

    Thanks!

    Rebecca

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Carla

Hi there,lm very very interested in using this “process” asap as l have so much trouble with all the “chemical/hormones as they effect me quite badly:(I live in “Far North Queensland Australia” and papias and in abundance YAY:) l do however have a couple of questions

1.does he need to take them everyday.
2. When/how long does it take to work so is it “safe”to have unprotected sex without the fear of getting pregnat?

I look forward to hearing back from you as l want to start asap,cheer

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Carla,

    In the study with langur monkeys mentioned in the article the scientists said: “Testing found sperm concentration, motility and viability notably decreased within 30 days and was significantly impaired by 60. After 90 days azoospermia (no sperm count) was observed in all the test subjects.

    Once treatment was withdrawn, sperm function slowly increased and returned to the fertile range after 150 days with no noted long-term side effects.”

    It was recommended to take the papaya seeds every day. This has other health benefits too as described here http://superfoodprofiles.com/health-benefits-papaya-seeds

    While the studies were strong, obviously it’s not a precise science and there’s little incentive for drug companies to do large scale trials with a method they can’t patent.

    As I said near the end of the article http://superfoodprofiles.com/natural-male-birth-control-papaya-seeds-contraceptive-men ” I’d also highly advise testing your sperm count before relying on this method. Home fertility tests are now available for men for under forty dollars and are well worth it for something so important.”

    All the best,

    Jim

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Gideon

can papaya seed cure or prevent urinal problems?

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hurriya

for relief of gastrointestinal issues a friend had taken gnc’s papaya pills for 3 months and they worked great. but then noticed the dry orgasms. And had to discontinue right away because he had been working on starting a family and this just set him back.

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felix oppong

can you dry the papaaya seeds bleand it and use it as powder?

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    Jim Dillan

    Hi Felix,

    If you have the proper equipment this should work and is potentially a good way to have an easy supply. Do make sure they dry quickly and don’t go mouldy though.

    All the best,

    Jim

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